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		<title>By: Peter Erwin</title>
		<link>http://chrisdolan.net/talk/2005/11/14/private-regression-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Erwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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The public tests I mention would be the unit tests. Definitely, unit tests are the most important â€” sometimes more important than the code itself. In the article I attempt to go a bit beyond unit tests for core algorithms and delve into unit tests for more human topics, like spelling.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OK, I see what you mean. My question sprang partly from a perception that some people use &quot;regression tests&quot; and &quot;unit tests&quot; to mean two different things (that is, two different types of tests). So I partly interpreted your use of the term &quot;regression tests&quot; as meaning (amont other things) &quot;not unit tests.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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The public tests I mention would be the unit tests. Definitely, unit tests are the most important â€” sometimes more important than the code itself. In the article I attempt to go a bit beyond unit tests for core algorithms and delve into unit tests for more human topics, like spelling.</i></p>

<p>OK, I see what you mean. My question sprang partly from a perception that some people use &#8220;regression tests&#8221; and &#8220;unit tests&#8221; to mean two different things (that is, two different types of tests). So I partly interpreted your use of the term &#8220;regression tests&#8221; as meaning (amont other things) &#8220;not unit tests.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Sorry for the comment spam. At some version of aspell, it&#039;s &#039;aspell list&#039; instead of &#039;aspell -l&#039;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the comment spam. At some version of aspell, it&#8217;s &#8216;aspell list&#8217; instead of &#8216;aspell -l&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Crappity crap n crap. What version of aspell are you using? My appell -l yields &quot;You must specify a parameter for &quot;-l&quot;.  My version is 0.60 and the -l is for setting the language. :-(&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My aspell on win32 just hangs are the IPC::Open2::open call. Not getting far on spelling this evening. :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crappity crap n crap. What version of aspell are you using? My appell -l yields &#8220;You must specify a parameter for &#8220;-l&#8221;.  My version is 0.60 and the -l is for setting the language. <img src='http://chrisdolan.net/talk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>My aspell on win32 just hangs are the IPC::Open2::open call. Not getting far on spelling this evening. <img src='http://chrisdolan.net/talk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James E Keenan</title>
		<link>http://chrisdolan.net/talk/2005/11/14/private-regression-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>James E Keenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;A very well written article.  And the concept of private regression tests is so good that I&#039;m surprised no one has thought of it before.  (Well, at the very least, it&#039;s news to me.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One specific comment:  You write:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;...members of the ... cpants.perl.org community believe that tests like Test::Pod and Test::Pod::Coverage should be public and included in the distribution. Those advocates say that rewarding authors with â€œKwaliteeâ€ points when they include POD tests in their CPAN packages will encourage them to write better POD, which is better for everyone.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I write good POD.  When you print out the POD from some of my modules, it runs to 40+ pages.  But I don&#039;t always use the same &quot;head1 some_sub()&quot; structure picked up by Test::Pod::Coverage.  Result:  These modules get a big 0 on this aspect of &quot;kwalitee.&quot;  But am I going to restructure that documentation just to satisfy the kwalitee fanatics?  Hell, no!  This is a case where the test should be private.  Let the user read the documentation and judge it on its own merits!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jim Keenan&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very well written article.  And the concept of private regression tests is so good that I&#8217;m surprised no one has thought of it before.  (Well, at the very least, it&#8217;s news to me.)</p>

<p>One specific comment:  You write:</p>

<p>&#8220;&#8230;members of the &#8230; cpants.perl.org community believe that tests like Test::Pod and Test::Pod::Coverage should be public and included in the distribution. Those advocates say that rewarding authors with â€œKwaliteeâ€ points when they include POD tests in their CPAN packages will encourage them to write better POD, which is better for everyone.&#8221;</p>

<p>I write good POD.  When you print out the POD from some of my modules, it runs to 40+ pages.  But I don&#8217;t always use the same &#8220;head1 some_sub()&#8221; structure picked up by Test::Pod::Coverage.  Result:  These modules get a big 0 on this aspect of &#8220;kwalitee.&#8221;  But am I going to restructure that documentation just to satisfy the kwalitee fanatics?  Hell, no!  This is a case where the test should be private.  Let the user read the documentation and judge it on its own merits!</p>

<p>Jim Keenan</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dolan</title>
		<link>http://chrisdolan.net/talk/2005/11/14/private-regression-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Peter, re: unit testing&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The public tests I mention would be the unit tests.  Definitely, unit tests are the most important -- sometimes more important than the code itself.  In the article I attempt to go a bit beyond unit tests for core algorithms and delve into unit tests for more human topics, like spelling.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, re: unit testing</p>

<p>The public tests I mention would be the unit tests.  Definitely, unit tests are the most important &#8212; sometimes more important than the code itself.  In the article I attempt to go a bit beyond unit tests for core algorithms and delve into unit tests for more human topics, like spelling.</p>
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